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PapaTitan keeps it real.
I think they go defense the first round.
TitanInsider: Any closer and you'd be in the huddle.
My algorithm for the first pick would be:
3. trade back 3-5 slots and then take Rhodes/Trufant.....or best DE available
4. can't arrange a trade then take Rhodes anyway.....or Star or Floyd
5. Best available pass rush DE
Now, all of this is assuming that one of the big names
What are a couple of names on defense that you think they could target at #10?
Yeah, what makes you so sure they'll go defense in the first Terry?
As far as I'm concerned there is really only a handful of defensive players that I would take at #10.
1. Milliner - Elite ceiling, low risk, and would likely contribute a ton right away. Though likely won't be there by the time we pick.
2. Floyd - Elite ceiling, moderate risk. Wouldn't contribute as much as another position.
3. Lotulelei - Elite ceiling, low/mod risk. Also wouldn't contribute as much as other positions.
4. Ansah - Elite ceiling, high risk. Wouldn't start, but would be in rotation.
5. Rhodes - High/Elite ceiling, low/mod risk. Would likely contribute a lot right away.
6. Mingo - High/Elite ceiling. Low/mod risk. Would not start, but would contribute in rotation.
Compare the 6 above to:
a) Warmack - Elite ceiling, crazy low risk. Would start from day one and could definitely be there at 10.
b) Cooper - Elite ceiling, low risk. Would start from day one and could be there at 10.
Unless Milliner falls, I would take Warmack or Cooper just because of the skill sets and how much impact they'd have immediately.
Maybe a guy like Jarvis Jones, I know it sounds crazy but having a great lb to play the strong side when Ayers is rushing the passer is a solid creative option to have.
Lovely idea. I get tired of Ayers being out of position and missing tackles. He was better in yr 2 but darn it does he infuriate me.
I think if we trade down 5 spots we could still get Jonathon Cooper around 15.
Most of the work they have done this off-season has been on offense, except for signing Pollard, Wilson and Hill - 2 safeties and a DT. Ropati and Fokou are role players.
Look at it this way, they brought in Gregg Williams to help revamp this defense and they will need to give him something to work with. Gregg's defenses work best when there is a stud pass rusher that has to be accounted for (Kearse) or a shutdown corner to take away half the field (Samari Rolle). The Titans have neither of those and usually in order to get one, you have to draft high. Mingo, Jordan (both visiting) or Ansah at end and Milliner at corner fit that profile.
Look at it like this. They have been very good of late at leading people down a path to think they are drafting a certain thing and then taking the player they want.
Two years ago, every mock draft had them taking Nick Fairley, and they took Locker. Last year, almost everyone had them taking a linebacker or a corner. No one saw Kendall Wright on their radar.
Everyone is saying Warmack or Cooper. It certainly could happen and if they do, it would be a solid move.
But I think we all agree that the defense was awful last year and needed the most help going into the off-season.
I totally agree Terry. My hang up is this. Of the DE's in this draft......what is the difference between the 1st and 2nd (projected) rounders? The answer is "not much." Also, all of the DE's in this draft that are projected very high to go in the draft have great potential, but they all tend to be very raw and could easily bust.
As far as the CB's: Milliner is worth a top 10 pick......top 5 really. But Rhodes and Trufant are grade well beyond the 10th pick. We could trade back to 15 and still get one of them easily.
Warmack or Cooper are the only players (besides Milliner, of course) that have elite talent but have the least bust potential.....while still filling a need.
I guess we'll all find out in a few wks.
We could get Alex Okafor or Montgomery in the 2nd round and I like them as much or even more than Werner and Mingo
I agree......except for Montgomery. He has been recently blasted for his work ethic and has come out publicly and doesn't know if he wants to play football anymore. He's a really good talent, but I'd wait for later rounds.
Here are some guys that I would feel very solid about in the 2nd:
DE: (in no particular order) All of these, I don't feel are much of a downgrade from the projected 1st rounders.
1. Alex Okafor - Tremendous senior bowl. Great leader and character.
2. Datone Jones - May not make it to our 2nd pick, but he's a solid all around DE.....not necessarily a pass rush specialist, but decent enough
3. Tank Carradine - Although coming off a ACL surgery, he is a top talent in this draft. Depending on how his knee is doing he may fall to us in the 2nd. He's much more of a pass rush specialist than Jones.
4. Marcus Hunt - Ansah is getting all the press, but Hunt's athleticism is just as startling......and they are both equally raw.
-And there is some really nice DE talent to be had in rounds 3-4
1. Johnathan Banks - Originally considered an easy 1st rounder, but slipped due to a poor combine.
2. Jamar Taylor - rising up draft charts. Had a great senior bowl.
3. Blidi Wreh-Wilson - solid producer and had a great combine
4. Darius Slay - Got overshadowed at MSU by Banks, but could actually be the better choice.
5. Amerson, Poyer, Alford, Webb all have 2nd rd talent as well.
-There is some depth throughout the draft as well. Clearly Milliner is the headliner and Rhodes/Trufant are the next tier.
At this point, there are plenty of players at DT, including Hill, Casey, Martin, Klug, and either Harris or Clayton and the MLB spot is done with McCarthy and Fokou so the run defense up the middle seems better .. there is a weakness at pass defense and rushing the passer right now .. DE's include Ropati, Wimberly , Morgan, maybe Dawson.. so pass rushing DE in round 1 or 2 and a CB in rounds 1 or 2 would seems the most logical.. and then take the C/G in 3..
I think Terry nailed it.If we can get a shutdown type corner or a pass rusher as opposed to a guard,I think salary cap wise you would prefer a corner or de.This also forces teams to rely heavily on scouts and coaches to be able to select the right guy.Corner talent at #10 is slim. If warmack or cooper is on the board and we pick ansah and he never develops into a stud, the entire organization is set back and maybe fired.I think Margus Hunt has a less bust potential than Ansah because he is 6'8 280" ,runs a 4.6,put up 38 reps,has almost a 7' foot wingspan and was 2nd to Ansah in the 10 yd split.He blocked a ton of kicks,he could play some 3-4 end and a 2 down run defender in a 4-3 and kick inside on passing downs or play a LDE in a 4-3 if he isn't effective as a 4-3 RDE,but he is ranked as a late 1st early 2nd round pick and we would be slammed for drafting him at 10.I guess its all about believing PROJECTIONS from certain sources.
If the staff conducted themselves with the intention of improving the team but also to set themselves up for BPA in the draft, then unless there is some crazy moves before our pick our choice is going to be Warmack, Cooper, or Milliner.
The DE, LB, S, WR, OT, C, QB, RB value just isn't there unless we trade down.
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