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Griffin: Time can help Fisher, VY co-exist

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http://ten.247sports.com/Article/Michael-Griffin-believes-Fisher-Young-relationship-can-be-fixed-9698
Safety says the two can repair their relationship and both potentially return next season, despite many opinions to the contrary.
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Space can repair the relationship. Fisher coaching somewhere else and Vince at QB. Repaired, eureka!
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maninblack1 said...
Space can repair the relationship. Fisher coaching somewhere else and Vince at QB. Repaired, eureka!
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I would prefer the other way around because Young has quit on this team too many times. However, the best thing may be to get rid of both of them.
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maninblack1 said...
Space can repair the relationship. Fisher coaching somewhere else and Vince at QB. Repaired, eureka!

This isn't Austin. We're talking about the big leagues here. The primadonna that is VY can go somewhere else and play.

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Updated stats on Jeff Fisher's suck:
W L POW POL
1 5
7 9
8 8
8 8
8 8
13 3 3 1
13 3 0 1
7 9
11 5 1 1
12 4 1 1
5 11
4 12
8 8
10 6 0 1
13 3 0 1
8 8
6 9
142 119 5 6
Total Games 272
Total Wins 147
Winning 54%
- 6 winning seasons in 17 years
Since 2006
- Vince Young is 30-17 as starter
- Jeff Fisher without Vince Young is 15-19
- CJ in 6 games w/o VY in '09: 57, 197, 97, 83, 34, 128 (2 TD's)
- CJ in 10 games w/ VY in '09: 228, 135, 132, 151, 154, 113, 117, 104, 142, 134 (12 TD's)
- In games Young has started this season, CJ has a 4.7 YPC
- In games both Young & Collins play this season, CJ has a 4.4 YPC
- In games with Kerry Collins starting this season, CJ has a 3.2 YPC
- In games with Rusty Trombone starting this season, CJ has a 0.7 YPC
- In the last two seasons, Vince Young is 12-6 as a starting QB. Jeff Fisher is 2-11 in games another quarterback starts.
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maninblack1 said...
Updated stats on Jeff Fisher's suck:
W L POW POL 1 5 7 9 8 8 8 8 8 8 13 3 3 1 13 3 0 1 7 9 11 5 1 1 12 4 1 1 5 11 4 12 8 8 10 6 0 1 13 3 0 1 8 8 6 9 142 119 5 6 Total Games 272 Total Wins 147 Winning 54%
- 6 winning seasons in 17 years Since 2006 - Vince Young is 30-17 as starter - Jeff Fisher without Vince Young is 15-19 - CJ in 6 games w/o VY in '09: 57, 197, 97, 83, 34, 128 (2 TD's) - CJ in 10 games w/ VY in '09: 228, 135, 132, 151, 154, 113, 117, 104, 142, 134 (12 TD's) - In games Young has started this season, CJ has a 4.7 YPC - In games both Young & Collins play this season, CJ has a 4.4 YPC - In games with Kerry Collins starting this season, CJ has a 3.2 YPC - In games with Rusty Trombone starting this season, CJ has a 0.7 YPC - In the last two seasons, Vince Young is 12-6 as a starting QB. Jeff Fisher is 2-11 in games another quarterback starts.

Stats never tell the full story. People put way to much into VY being 30-17 as a starter. When the going gets tough he's nowhere to be found.
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Stats never tell the full story. People put way to much into VY being 30-17 as a starter. When the going gets tough he's nowhere to be found.

Yes, VY is immature and injury prone. But QBs are hard to come by in this league and Vince is a winner. Jeff's teams have always underachieved with the exception of 1999, 2002 and 2003. Outside of those two seasons it's been one and done in the playoffs and far too many seasons with no playoff appearance at all. I'm not a Vince apologist, but when you look around the league, I'll take Vince over Carson Palmer, Colt McCoy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chad Henne, David Garrard, Jason Campbell/Gradkowski, Kyle Orton/Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, McNabb/Grossman, Brady Anderson/Skelton/Max Hall, Alex Smith/Troy Smith, and Matt Hasselback. And does anyone really think that if Jeff had Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, or Kevin Kolb that our offense would be any better? I don't. Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Philip Rivers don't grow on trees. You have to learn how to win with the talent you have. I don't see Jeff opening up the offense for any QB. Fisher plays 1980s football in 2010. Zebras don't change their stripes. I don't care if Vince stays or goes, but I am ready for Jeff to go.
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Yes, VY is immature and injury prone. But QBs are hard to come by in this league and Vince is a winner. Jeff's teams have always underachieved with the exception of 1999, 2002 and 2003. Outside of those two seasons it's been one and done in the playoffs and far too many seasons with no playoff appearance at all. I'm not a Vince apologist, but when you look around the league, I'll take Vince over Carson Palmer, Colt McCoy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chad Henne, David Garrard, Jason Campbell/Gradkowski, Kyle Orton/Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, McNabb/Grossman, Brady Anderson/Skelton/Max Hall, Alex Smith/Troy Smith, and Matt Hasselback. And does anyone really think that if Jeff had Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, or Kevin Kolb that our offense would be any better? I don't. Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Philip Rivers don't grow on trees. You have to learn how to win with the talent you have. I don't see Jeff opening up the offense for any QB. Fisher plays 1980s football in 2010. Zebras don't change their stripes. I don't care if Vince stays or goes, but I am ready for Jeff to go.

VY has yet to win a "big" game in the NFL. He's won when the pressure hasn't been there. If there was a way to get Kolb I would do it in a heartbeat. Can't fault Fisher for the loss against the Ravens in 2008. If the Titans don't fumble twice going in for a score they beat Ravens and host the Steelers for the right to go to the Super Bowl. I want Fish to stay but I'm afraid Bud will make the crazy mistake of keeping VY around.
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VY has yet to win a "big" game in the NFL. He's won when the pressure hasn't been there. If there was a way to get Kolb I would do it in a heartbeat. Can't fault Fisher for the loss against the Ravens in 2008. If the Titans don't fumble twice going in for a score they beat Ravens and host the Steelers for the right to go to the Super Bowl. I want Fish to stay but I'm afraid Bud will make the crazy mistake of keeping VY around.

You are not someone I would want running an organization. When every piece of data points to Jeff Fisher being average at best and Vince being a winner you choose mediocrity. Bravo!
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You are not someone I would want running an organization. When every piece of data points to Jeff Fisher being average at best and Vince being a winner you choose mediocrity. Bravo!

VY has yet to show that he can be a leader in the NFL. Sorry if you can't see that.
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VY has yet to show that he can be a leader in the NFL. Sorry if you can't see that.

Yet you believe Kolb has. You're ridiculous.
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There's no reason to attack someone because they have a different opinion then you do. That's what makes the world go round.
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