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New Safety Possibilities

  • What about trying to get Eric Waddle or Michael Huff? This would solve our safety problem for a few years.

    bjacoway

  • bjacoway said...

    What about trying to get Eric Waddle or Michael Huff? This would solve our safety problem for a few years.

    Gotta disagree with you there. Weddle and Huff are FSs and we need a SS to compete against/replace Hope. Dawan Landry and Donte Whitner are the best FA prospects (assuming they're eligible under new CBA).

    CharrdWood

  • I hope it's Landry.

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    Remus

  • With the league becoming such a pass dominate system I don't see it as being a bad thing to have a two free safety capable system. Our goal is to get bigger on the front seven to stop the run. I think we could do very well with Huff and Griffen in the secondary.

    DMeade69647

  • Huff has largely been a disappointment, but I believe he and Griff played together at Texas so they should know each other well and could build off that.

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    TerryMc13

  • abmclure said...

    I hope it's Landry.

    agreed

    PapaTitan

  • TerryMc13 said...

    Huff has largely been a disappointment, but I believe he and Griff played together at Texas so they should know each other well and could build off that.

    Griffin needs someone to help him keep his head in the game and I'm not sure Huff would be a good fit or not. One of Huff's problems is he isn't a physical player and IMO Griffin has the same problem partly because of his size and partly because he can't stay healthy. Huff has improved but basically we would have two guys who couldn't tackle MJD is their life depended on it.

    This post was edited by Soxcat on 6/6/2011 at 5:41 PM

    Soxcat

  • I have the feeling someone will overpay for Huff and the Titans will be out of it. For me it's either Weddle or restructure Hope. At this point, change sounds good just because Hope has really shown his age, but Huff has plenty of faults of his own.

    I have a strong feeling that we'll be picking a Safety in the first or second round next year.

    Cyrus

  • I really like Weddle. He can tackle (80 tackles last year, over 100 in 2008) and cover, is a good leader and smart. Just the kind of guy we need. He isn't real big but more physical than Huff or Griffin.

    Soxcat

  • Soxcat said...

    I really like Weddle. He can tackle (80 tackles last year, over 100 in 2008) and cover, is a good leader and smart. Just the kind of guy we need. He isn't real big but more physical than Huff or Griffin.

    As Terry pointed out elsewhere, MR has not been a player in FA to date during his tenure, so it shouldn't surprise the fans if Weddle and Landry are long gone before he sorts out any business at the position. Also, I don't think Weddle is stout enough to play SS, especially in our division. I'm just hoping that those two guys are considered the marquee names at S when FA does finally open up, and Donte Whitner slips under the radar for a reasonable deal to us. Failing that I guess we could kick the tires on Atari Bigby to at least provide some competition for Hope in Training Camp.

    CharrdWood

  • Bills fans seem to hate Whitner as he can't tackle. Not a good trait for the a Strong Safety. For me, Weddle's value comes from being able to play closer to the line, make tackles, play man or play deep zone. He may not be a traditional SS but I don't know if I'd consider him a traditional FS either. He's a wrap-up tackler who is a jack-of-all-trades Safety and most importantly, reliable.

    Cyrus

  • Cyrus said...

    Bills fans seem to hate Whitner as he can't tackle. Not a good trait for the a Strong Safety. For me, Weddle's value comes from being able to play closer to the line, make tackles, play man or play deep zone. He may not be a traditional SS but I don't know if I'd consider him a traditional FS either. He's a wrap-up tackler who is a jack-of-all-trades Safety and most importantly, reliable.

    Whitner had 140 tackles last year (!!!). If he missed tackles it's probably because he was exhausted! And, being a native WNY-er, I don't think I'd take most Bills' fans opinions as writ. They've gone from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows, or nearabout (in both instances). They're a bit on the jaded side these days.

    I'm also quite skeptical of Weddle's ability to seamlessly transition to an in-the-box safety, either tackling the like of MJD or covering any TEs in our division.

    This post was edited by CharrdWood on 6/6/2011 at 6:13 PM

    CharrdWood

  • One thing is for sure. I've been told that the Titans will take their usual approach in free agency, regardless of the lockout. That means Reinfeldt will wait out the first week, assess what's left over and then act. Barring a major change of philosophy. I dont' necessarily agree with that because I think you miss out on guys who can help you, but that's MR's MO.

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    TerryMc13

  • TerryMc13 said...

    One thing is for sure. I've been told that the Titans will take their usual approach in free agency, regardless of the lockout. That means Reinfeldt will wait out the first week, assess what's left over and then act. Barring a major change of philosophy. I dont' necessarily agree with that because I think you miss out on guys who can help you, but that's MR's MO.

    So what's your take on Whitner? Or Bigby? Or do they wait it out and prioritize that in the first two days next draft?

    CharrdWood

  • CharrdWood said...

    So what's your take on Whitner? Or Bigby? Or do they wait it out and prioritize that in the first two days next draft?

    I'm not a big Whitmer guy. Love Bigby, or at least the Bigby of a couple of years ago. I worry that his play has dropped off a bit. I actually think the Titans, since they are going bigger in the front seven, should go with two cover guys at safety - someone more in the Griffin mold, rather than a run stopper. If Jerry Gray's plans work as scheduled, then the d-line should hold their positions at the line of scrimmage, freeing the linebackers (who should be improved enough) to stop the run, so that the safeties won't need to come into the box and run support as often. Hate to invoke the Ravens here, but that system has worked for them for years and it's what made Ray Lewis a superstar.

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    TerryMc13

  • CharrdWood said...

    As Terry pointed out elsewhere, MR has not been a player in FA to date during his tenure, so it shouldn't surprise the fans if Weddle and Landry are long gone before he sorts out any business at the position. Also, I don't think Weddle is stout enough to play SS, especially in our division. I'm just hoping that those two guys are considered the marquee names at S when FA does finally open up, and Donte Whitner slips under the radar for a reasonable deal to us. Failing that I guess we could kick the tires on Atari Bigby to at least provide some competition for Hope in Training Camp.

    I think Landry and Huff are probably the cream of the crop of Ss available. Huff is coming off a pro bowl season. So I'm not really sure MR's strategy of waiting and taking a 2nd tier guy eliminates a guy like Weddle from consideration. We are talking about a S here and not a CB or DE so I doubt any of these guys will get a mega contract. If we want a guy who is more of a SS type Bigby and Roman Harper are certainly possibilities. But we certainly don't want a guy who can't cover well. We need someone who is well rounded and can both tackle and cover.

    The issue I have is we need to get a guy who is a legit upgrade. If we get to cute and cheap we end up with a marginal player that isn't much better than Hope. How does that improve the defense? What have we gained?
    As far as Weddle being stout enough to play in "our division" keep in mind that except for the Jags the Colts and Texans have pretty good passing games. Our issues of concern IMO had more to do with RBs and TEs catching passes (TEs have career days against us). The issue with beefing up the middle of the defense is already being addressed so that should help the run defense. As long as we have Ss who can tackle well enough to stop a RB from going 80 yards if they do get through the LOS we will be OK. I'd love to get Landry or even Huff but IMO those are the guys who will get the big contracts early. IMO Huff isn't worthy. If MR wanted to break the mold of picking guys off the discount rack Landry is the guy I'd go after.

    Soxcat

  • Soxcat said...

    I think Landry and Huff are probably the cream of the crop of Ss available. Huff is coming off a pro bowl season. So I'm not really sure MR's strategy of waiting and taking a 2nd tier guy eliminates a guy like Weddle from consideration. We are talking about a S here and not a CB or DE so I doubt any of these guys will get a mega contract. If we want a guy who is more of a SS type Bigby and Roman Harper are certainly possibilities. But we certainly don't want a guy who can't cover well. We need someone who is well rounded and can both tackle and cover.

    The issue I have is we need to get a guy who is a legit upgrade. If we get to cute and cheap we end up with a marginal player that isn't much better than Hope. How does that improve the defense? What have we gained? As far as Weddle being stout enough to play in "our division" keep in mind that except for the Jags the Colts and Texans have pretty good passing games. Our issues of concern IMO had more to do with RBs and TEs catching passes (TEs have career days against us). The issue with beefing up the middle of the defense is already being addressed so that should help the run defense. As long as we have Ss who can tackle well enough to stop a RB from going 80 yards if they do get through the LOS we will be OK. I'd love to get Landry or even Huff but IMO those are the guys who will get the big contracts early. IMO Huff isn't worthy. If MR wanted to break the mold of picking guys off the discount rack Landry is the guy I'd go after.

    Great point about the TEs catching passes. Dallas Clark puts a hurting on us twice a year.

    JVVol

  • JVVol said...

    Great point about the TEs catching passes. Dallas Clark puts a hurting on us twice a year.

    Exactly. And don't forget Owen Daniels, coming back this year. Weddle is overrated because of the defense/team in which he plays. I don't see him as a fit in TN at all. Weddle isn't gonna cover the TEs in our division (and they ARE STRONG).

    Weddle would be a horrible waste of money. End of. He's not capable of covering or even tackling the TEs in the AFC South.

    CharrdWood

  • CharrdWood said...

    Exactly. And don't forget Owen Daniels, coming back this year. Weddle is overrated because of the defense/team in which he plays. I don't see him as a fit in TN at all. Weddle isn't gonna cover the TEs in our division (and they ARE STRONG).

    Weddle would be a horrible waste of money. End of. He's not capable of covering or even tackling the TEs in the AFC South.

    Which comes back to my point though that you have to have two cover guys at safety in this division, unless you have a Keith Bulluck in his prime to cover the TEs (which the Titans don't right now).

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    TerryMc13

  • CharrdWood said...

    Exactly. And don't forget Owen Daniels, coming back this year. Weddle is overrated because of the defense/team in which he plays. I don't see him as a fit in TN at all. Weddle isn't gonna cover the TEs in our division (and they ARE STRONG).

    Weddle would be a horrible waste of money. End of. He's not capable of covering or even tackling the TEs in the AFC South.

    I agree with you on Weddle.

    JVVol

  • CharrdWood said...

    Exactly. And don't forget Owen Daniels, coming back this year. Weddle is overrated because of the defense/team in which he plays. I don't see him as a fit in TN at all. Weddle isn't gonna cover the TEs in our division (and they ARE STRONG).

    Weddle would be a horrible waste of money. End of. He's not capable of covering or even tackling the TEs in the AFC South.

    Not sure where this idea came from that Weddle can't cover. His range and cover skills are strong points. Coming out of the draft he was actually considered a potential CB prospect as well as a S.

    Now more than likely the Titans won't pony up the money to sign him. We have teams in our own division, Houston and the Jags who are desperate for a guy like Weddle and he could actually end up in our division playing for them covering the guys you say he can't cover. And the good part of his game is he actually is a good tackler along with being a solid cover guy.

    Soxcat

  • I loved Weddle coming out of college, and he's done nothing to change my opinion of him. Think he would be a good add for almost any team.

    Kevin Ryan